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Aurornis 1 days ago [-]
Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.
burnte 1 days ago [-]
I loved the last comment where he inferred no one knew the difference between a MAC address and a Mac computer, meanwhile he's fundamentally misunderstanding how networking works and making bizarre statements about wifi that literally everyone disagreed with him on. I bet he's still insisting he was right even though it's all fixed now because he doesn't get how VM network bridging works.
fouc 1 days ago [-]
Also classic, someone finally jumping in with a full and insightful explanation. What a turnaround!
montjoy 1 days ago [-]
This is actually what’s interesting
subarctic 1 days ago [-]
So, are they gonna add official support for this in the wifi standard someday? It sounds like the way that this works is a non-standard workaround
This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.
eqvinox 23 hours ago [-]
WDS is not something a client/STA can ask an AP for, it's a different mode of operation. What you need is 802.11ak GLK (General Link). Unfortunately, that one also isn't really negotiable and never gained much traction.
altairprime 24 hours ago [-]
Buried in-thread, both macOS 26.6 and 27 beta have fixed the issue — has anyone studied whether they implemented this or resumed the old proxy arp method?
remember how there used to be people whose lifestyle was answering Stack Overflow questions? 3 years from now we're going to be looking at charts showing engagement from GitHub Lifestyle people going straight down too.
lloydatkinson 1 days ago [-]
Like that probably still open huge github issue with hundreds of comments, the one about how docker will blow your firewall wide open.
naikrovek 22 hours ago [-]
Your assessment is inflammatory, to my eyes.
Everything that person said was factually correct. They weren’t wrong, they simply didn’t have the whole picture.
skygazer 21 hours ago [-]
But, they were wrong ... in assuming what they were saying was at all relevant. And they were so sure they knew what they were talking about and that it applied that they dismissed all the ample evidence to the contrary and also dismissed the, they assumed, delusional people pointing out the contradictions. Their initial misunderstanding was understandable given the overloaded terms but their confidence was poorly calibrated to their weakness detecting the misunderstanding.
SlightlyLeftPad 17 hours ago [-]
I’ve seen younger engineers (still very senior and capable but with quick tempers) make this mistake time and time again.
The funny part, to me, is that it all could have been avoided by simply saying something to the effect of “the APIs they call in UTM are Apple’s and there are no hacks or workarounds they can do at the UTM level. Any differences between the hardware are just that.”
The actual thread was wildly inefficient but if it hadn’t gone that way no one would have learned anything, including us!
Without looking too deep, I bet their dext wasn’t exposing necessary configuration. I’ve seen this with other third party network hardware and dext, where it was missing certain configuration for bridging to work
whatever1 21 hours ago [-]
M5 networking stack is a mess. A lot of corporate deployments had to wait for Apple to patch up things
amelius 1 days ago [-]
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tecleandor 1 days ago [-]
What kind of, ahem, "non consumer hardware" should I buy to run a virtual machine?
pram 1 days ago [-]
A 15 year old Thinkpad is the HN approved machine for Serious Work.
sam_lowry_ 1 days ago [-]
I only recently passed my good old T420s down the generation and switched to T14 Gen 2, the one that still has S3 ACPI Sleep Mode.
imp0cat 1 days ago [-]
RIP S3 sleep. You'll be missed.
lostlogin 1 days ago [-]
There was a good article here yesterday on Colossus.
> "Used to work as a mechanical design engineer at Apple. They use Siemens NX on Windows computers."
NeckBeardPrince 23 hours ago [-]
Yes, all Apple does is CAD work.
mcfdoesdev 1 days ago [-]
That's super weird.
kazinator 1 days ago [-]
Remember, if shoes were like software, they would explode while you're trying to tie the laces, because the first of the month landed on a Tuesday.
pjmlp 1 days ago [-]
Unfortunately most consumers put up with it, instead of handling it like shoes, returning them to the shop for a refund, or if surviving the explosion, a lawsuit.
kazinator 1 days ago [-]
Shoes today are garbage that wears through within half a year; consumers are accepting it and coming back for more.
hnav 1 days ago [-]
As much as it pains me to toss shoes every year, I much prefer the light, flexible construction of disposable shoes to the heavy rigidity of made-to-last ones.
iamtheworstdev 1 days ago [-]
Buy better shoes. Quit buying Allbirds and Hey Dudes
SlightlyLeftPad 16 hours ago [-]
Agree. I’ve heard great things about RUNLOWE and GOTOE. You can find them as the first 100 results on Amazon if you search for “Adidas running shoes.”
reaperducer 1 days ago [-]
You are so right.
Shoes are one of those things where you get what you pay for.
Unfortunately, not everyone has access to quality shoes, either for reasons of money or geography.
I was given a pair of really nice shoes once. They've lasted me almost 20 years because I live in a large city where I can stop at a shoe shine stand every few weeks, and also have them re-soled as they wear.
Most people buy plastic junk from Amazon because they don't know better.
See also: People who work in offices, but still carry around a massive backpack like they're in sixth grade.
pjmlp 1 days ago [-]
Depends, not everyone buys on street bazaar, and usually most that put up with low quality is because they sadly cannot afford any better.
HPsquared 1 days ago [-]
I wonder how much of the "shoes used to last longer" thing is down to individuals getting older and heavier over time. Also time perception changes with age. It's probably still true, though.
kazinator 1 days ago [-]
Two real, major issues:
- 30 years ago, you couldn't buy sports shoes (sneakers, runners, tennis shoes, court boots, whatever) that have only a foam midsole, no hard rubber outsole of any kind. A very light, foamy type of running shoe called a "race flat" did exist, but you had to go to a specialist store to find that. Without an outsole, EVA foam wears down fast. Stay away from these shoes unless you're looking to use them as bedroom slippers; always look for an outsole. If the shoe is not for a specific sport, look for trail runners, which have more outsole coverage on the bottom, often an uninterrupted one piece outsole.
- Most shoes today that look like they have a thick sole are actually hollow. If you peel off the layers of insoles, you see that the outsole is "ice cube tray" shell with voids. When the thin bottom of this tray wears through, they leak water. It just has to wear through in one spot, like the very back of the heel, and it's done as far as resisting water, and when it wears some more, rock can actually push up into the voids. All this can happen well under a year. I distinctly remember growing up with shoes that were solid, heel to toe.
mindslight 1 days ago [-]
Half of a year is getting awfully close to the timeline of a many return policies, and most people do like saving money. Just saying...
somat 1 days ago [-]
The Samuel Vimes Boot theory of economic unfairness comes to mind.
Too bad they don't give Nobels for literature posthumously.
That single paragraph could win it.
Well ... maybe I'm biased ...
kazinator 23 hours ago [-]
I actually have a pair of John Fluevog boots, circa 1999 vintage, which are scuffed but wearable. The most I had to do is glue up some rubber separation in the heels with a bit of epoxy. I wore them as recently as last year; not lately though.
phoghed 1 days ago [-]
Analogy kind of falls apart when you consumers are willing to put up with quite a lot to save a buck. They happily build their own furniture for example.
This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.
https://xkcd.com/1172/
Everything that person said was factually correct. They weren’t wrong, they simply didn’t have the whole picture.
The funny part, to me, is that it all could have been avoided by simply saying something to the effect of “the APIs they call in UTM are Apple’s and there are no hacks or workarounds they can do at the UTM level. Any differences between the hardware are just that.”
The actual thread was wildly inefficient but if it hadn’t gone that way no one would have learned anything, including us!
(issue is fixed in the latest MacOS 26 and 27 betas)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M5
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49012309
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/codebase
https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/nd4ax1
> "Used to work as a mechanical design engineer at Apple. They use Siemens NX on Windows computers."
Shoes are one of those things where you get what you pay for.
Unfortunately, not everyone has access to quality shoes, either for reasons of money or geography.
I was given a pair of really nice shoes once. They've lasted me almost 20 years because I live in a large city where I can stop at a shoe shine stand every few weeks, and also have them re-soled as they wear.
Most people buy plastic junk from Amazon because they don't know better.
See also: People who work in offices, but still carry around a massive backpack like they're in sixth grade.
- 30 years ago, you couldn't buy sports shoes (sneakers, runners, tennis shoes, court boots, whatever) that have only a foam midsole, no hard rubber outsole of any kind. A very light, foamy type of running shoe called a "race flat" did exist, but you had to go to a specialist store to find that. Without an outsole, EVA foam wears down fast. Stay away from these shoes unless you're looking to use them as bedroom slippers; always look for an outsole. If the shoe is not for a specific sport, look for trail runners, which have more outsole coverage on the bottom, often an uninterrupted one piece outsole.
- Most shoes today that look like they have a thick sole are actually hollow. If you peel off the layers of insoles, you see that the outsole is "ice cube tray" shell with voids. When the thin bottom of this tray wears through, they leak water. It just has to wear through in one spot, like the very back of the heel, and it's done as far as resisting water, and when it wears some more, rock can actually push up into the voids. All this can happen well under a year. I distinctly remember growing up with shoes that were solid, heel to toe.
Oh wow, it has it's own wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory
That single paragraph could win it.
Well ... maybe I'm biased ...